Curse

stretchs · Jun 06, 2008, 12:40 PM // 12:40

Monks in pvp almost never to never carry a res. And in PVE, it is pretty typical that a monk does not carry a res, their time/energy is best used up keeping the rest of the party alive, if for some reason they struggled to keep 1 person alive, stopping to res would be detrimental to the party. As well, typically midline and even frontline chars have extra spots whereas monks typically can and will use all 8 spots with high frequency.

ajicorath · Jun 06, 2008, 12:50 PM // 12:50

I'm a Monk and today was in ToA today looking for an URSAN FoW run. I PM'd the group leader saying I can either HB or Ursan, he says HB, fine with me so i join the group.
The other monk in the group was running some strange build but said it works for him - It wasn't too bad as long as the Ursan's didn't melee attack with SS on them. Therefore i clearly said "Ursans don't melee with SS on you". "Fine / no probs" came the reply.

So we scroll in and i waited for cons to appear...nothing...

Then they run off and start attacking stuff which doesn't get in Rastigans way - NOT in Ursan mode. I was like...
"Did no-one think to tell me we weren't doing Ursan"
no answer
Then all of a sudden the Ranger calls "I'm using Heal Party!" which just tipped me over the edge. I left...its not like anyone wasted cons.

Got a PM back in ToA from the group leader who gave me the usual BS about leaving yet couldn't explain why no-one had told me we weren't Ursaning when i'd been talking about it in team chat for 2 minutes.

so yeah, PUG's are definately getting worse!

natural_Causes · Jun 06, 2008, 12:50 PM // 12:50

I personally carry [Rebirth] on my monk, but only for use after battle/near wipe. It is all personal preference.

HuntMaster Avatar · Jun 06, 2008, 12:59 PM // 12:59

My hero monk carried rebirth as well and When I H/H my group never fails. Monks do not need 8 skills to heal a party. This is why monk players suck, because they burn through their energy and then can't heal anyways. People die and then can't get resurrected because no one else brought it thinking the monk knew what it was doing.

Frontline characters should never have res, its not their job, and if the monk sucks ass, like most do, a frontliner needs sometype of heal/protection. Which is normally the 8th skill.

I run a warrior and if I had to res people I wouldnt play with them, My job is to keep the monsters attention away from the other people and on me, and to deal massive damage to reduce the amount of damage others take. Ranged characters take res, not melee characters. Conan doesn't have res and neither do I!

This is why it will always be Heromonk> Playermonk.

madmax0877 · Jun 06, 2008, 01:00 PM // 13:00

H/H = winner!

Siniminister · Jun 06, 2008, 01:06 PM // 13:06

In missions where party wipes end the run, monks should definitely have a hard res - rebirth, if possible. But for vanquishes or just questing, a res sig can be handy for an emergency res, but that's not necessary. If it's down to just a monk, it's a hell of a lot quicker and easier to wipe and burn a clover or two than waste 5 minutes rebirthing and regenerating energy.

Shayne Hawke · Jun 06, 2008, 01:08 PM // 13:08

...So, did you finish?

xDusT II · Jun 06, 2008, 01:09 PM // 13:09

You do realise all these "skill" threads are completely relative? this is just another one of those "Anyone worse than me is a noob, anyone better than me has no life" threads...

As for why monks shouldn't carry a res, it's largely a waste of a skill slot on a character that's usually tight for space anyway. With 6 other people in your party you should have ample combat and non-combat resses to render the need for the monk to waste a skill slot quite useless. Besides if someone dies the last thing the monk wants to do is sit around ressing for 5 seconds or so, because it probably means the monks are under a fair bit of pressure. If everyone dies except the monks then you can call it a team failure for failing to fall back and let the monks stabilise, and in those scenarios it's probably better just to shrine.

HuntMaster Avatar · Jun 06, 2008, 01:14 PM // 13:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by xDusT II

You do realise all these "skill" threads are completely relative? this is just another one of those "Anyone worse than me is a noob, anyone better than me has no life" threads...

I thought ALL threads were about this... I mean thats the way it is. Right? All the "Elite" players think like that. Which makes me glad I am not elite.

Darkobra · Jun 06, 2008, 01:20 PM // 13:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yichi

A monk having to stop mid fight to res someone means your monk isn't doing anything, which leaves the other monk to solo heal/prot the entire party. The monk's job is to keep the party alive, not to res someone while letting others die.

Res skills/signets should ALWAYS be brought on off monk characters

That's true for PVP, but in PVE, you can afford to flee and res if your team falls to pure hilarity. Calamity! I meant calamity!

Brian the Gladiator · Jun 06, 2008, 01:21 PM // 13:21

I think a better rule should be monks are required to bring [aegis] instead of the rule that monks should be required to bring rez...

I mean, yes it is important to have rez on everyone to protect against full whipes in missions and stuff... but Aegis is leet so bring it (random comment of the day).

Personally, I don't like to bring rez on my monk unless I am using [healer's boon] in which case I bring [resurrection chant]. The reason for this is because [[healer's boon] increases the cast time so that I can use it mid-battle pretty effectively... that is all.

Hugh Manatee · Jun 06, 2008, 01:27 PM // 13:27

In pug missions, I've been the last man standing as many different classes far to often not to consider bringing a 'post fight' res, or the 'pull your ass out of the fire' rebirth. If there's a surprise pop up, or a dumbass leroy, I call a retreat and heal on the run. If I happen to be the last guy standing I can save the time invested in the mission or get us back on track that much faster.

If you're the last man standing, with no res, you're a douche bag who's wasted up to 2 hours for some of the harder stuff. If you're the lasts man standing with a res you're a hero.

It also depends on shrine availability. If there are shrines(dungeons, most pve vanq zones), dump the res skills altogether, keep a couple flesh of my fleshes/res chants for after/during fights. If it's a mission or area with no shrines, everyone takes at least a sig, all /Mo /Rt and /P take a hard res. No reason not to unless it's a farm gimmick and no excuse because if you need all 8 skills in pve you suck. If something happens, say you forget where a popup is, accidentally overpull, lag, a minion/pet goes nuts oryou get saddled with a dumbass, stuff can go wrong, shit happens, that doesn't mean you suck, but not planning for this contingency and getting overconfident, then wiping because you're the last moron standing with no way to res the party, THEN you suck.

Bottom line, unless you plan it out a whole lot more then most pugs are willing to, res is a must, ON EVERYONE.

Now, as for pug horror stories: Once(long time ago, before factions) I needed to get to the grotto from THK, someone advertised a run, it was a Mo/R with spell breaker and some other crap. Halfway through the run he sees a chest, demands a key, we don't have one and couldn't get one to him, so he turns into a douchebag and all of us who ask him to finish the run, we'll buy him all the damn keys he wants, he demands we leave, he's standing right in front of the gate, says he'll run us 'later' but not now. We went afk, and he didn't make a dime, went back to THK to report him as much as we could back then. One of the guys who was getting run, after seeing it, actually ran himself and me to the grotto after.

Once I was in Ring of Fire as a Monk(the reason I advocate taking a res, I've seen too much man...) I somehow get matched with a R/E who has Meteor, Meteor Shower, Firestorm and oath shot. Took forever but, some how we get throug that to abbadon's(though the ranger eventually stopped doing anything because he 0ed out his energy) , but then this dumbass builds a party with 2 other rangers, a couple eles and like 3 warriors(1 of which leaves, the other goes afk) and I'm the only monk. Now I'm there to do the bonus(and hopefully cap RC), everyone promises up and down we'll do it, but before I can ask one of the others to leave so we can add a monk he launches us. I figure this is going to be hilarious so I go along for the mission of the damned. Right off the bat we can hardly get past the first ether seal, halfthe party dies because they charge the seal and don't nuke the guys on the battlements. I tell the ranger to nuke the guys u there, one of the regular rangers goes like "O_o?" and I say, "no the other one, the oath shot nuker", and he goes, "I'm exhausted, let my energy regen". We get past gate #1 and there's a dispute, half the guys who joined the party that advertised M+B dont want to do the bonus, so they leave go afk, Willa the unpleasant wasn't at gate #2 so we got through there, but not without racking up DP. Willa WAS at gate #3 and at this point I started dancing in the lava.....

There's also the guy who takes unwanted guests in UW.... dont be that guy....

There was the guy who had all his heroes with pets, even the monks.

The D/Mo with ressurect, victorious sweep, 6 enchants and vow of strength in AB yesterday...

The moron W/Mo who charges the priest first thing in Thirst River, even though 2 minutes is plenty of time to kill the exterior forgotten and bosses then gank the priest so the forgotten don't gank the rest of your party(I swear I had to lecture every pug I took in there for like 5 minutes beforehand).

Then there's the collective horror stories from THK...

Pugs didn't start sucking, they've always sucked... It's been getting better because now I have 3 AIs I can customize and decent henchmen, and a good guild of people who know how to play the damn game...

kobey · Jun 06, 2008, 01:27 PM // 13:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riceboi

Mending Warrior FTL

Necro with 10 in fire magic just for meteor shower

Monk with no res claiming only noob monks have res=seriously wtf?

A ranger with nothing but interrupts, literally every skill except troll unguent

another necro literally only using two skills the whole mission: suffering and shadow of fear

people in fire island missions with no infused armor, and they're like "wtf why did I die so fast?" I know why because you're retard.

Near end of a mission:
Player Retard 1: sorrz guise I g2g sorrz
*player retard 2 has left the game*

Player retard 3: what are those cool purple energy balls? let me walk into them, oh that's soul vortex! *I'm burning*

=(

Sorry if I missed it. But which one is you?

Highlander Of Alba · Jun 06, 2008, 01:32 PM // 13:32

Have to admit ,the only time I will carry a rez if someone wishes a hand and dont know the people,otherwise I do not carry one.(pve)

As some have said personal preference ,that I agree with also..

Both monks been through all campaigns without one (male/female)in case your wondering lol.

Have to agree that some guys think a Monk will always have some sort of rez on him.

kobey · Jun 06, 2008, 01:37 PM // 13:37

Imo, as long as there are at least 2-3 rez spread across the party, whoever bringing it is fine. Its like should the husband or wife be the main breadwinner in the family. Does it matter?

ilipol · Jun 06, 2008, 01:38 PM // 13:38

OO nice a PUGs suck thread... very original.
Think pugs are bad = don't play with them.

ValaOfTheFens · Jun 06, 2008, 01:51 PM // 13:51

pug's don't suck. I've been in plenty of great pugs. But the key to any great pug is to spend alot of time going over the plan. People just want to go right away and not discuss anything and then Q.Q when someone does something unexpected. Also, Ursan Blessing has killed the skilled pug. Every person with any experience in the game is using Ursan now, due to the fact that its rather idiot proof, and so you're left with noobs and morons. I don't condemn people for using Ursan but despise it because it ended the chances of getting into a decent pug w/o it. And no...I don't use it. My primary toon is a Necro and until a month or two ago I didn't need Ursan to get into a group.

Lykan · Jun 06, 2008, 01:52 PM // 13:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riceboi

Monk with no res claiming only noob monks have res=seriously wtf?

A ranger with nothing but interrupts, literally every skill except troll unguent

omg wtf why didnt he have splinter barrage !!11!!1

monks well.. already been said

Balan Makki · Jun 06, 2008, 02:03 PM // 14:03

I love it when goofy builds are used, adds challenge.

Yichi · Jun 06, 2008, 02:05 PM // 14:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by kobey

Imo, as long as there are at least 2-3 rez spread across the party, whoever bringing it is fine. Its like should the husband or wife be the main breadwinner in the family. Does it matter?

Yes. My wife should be topless making me dinner in the kitchen. But somehow I don't think she agrees with me as I get slapped every time I suggest it